Lady Lee you have helped me so very much, I just want you to know that. Your help when I was so down was tremendous you understanding of abuse was and is spot on. Thank you.
I truly hope the very best for you.
LITS
i want to start by saying i will not participate in discussion here about my resignation as a moderator at jwn.. simon please consider this as my resignation from that position.. i have been posting on this board for almost 12 years.
i know some of you a lot, others a little and some not very well at all.
i have remained here for those of you who have needed support as you make the transition out of the wts, who needed someone to listen to your experiences of abuse at the hands of jehovah's witnesses, and to both laugh and cry with you as you progress out of the watchtower society.. we know that we have all experienced the cruelty of abuse of one kind or another.
Lady Lee you have helped me so very much, I just want you to know that. Your help when I was so down was tremendous you understanding of abuse was and is spot on. Thank you.
I truly hope the very best for you.
LITS
it's the same old story with watchtower, even at the local level.. my mother has to drive a slightly uncomfortable distance to her kingdom hall in affluent suburbia.
she doesn't mind because the neighborhoods are nice and she sticks to main streets, but she is coming home by herself late on thursday night.
(she is married to an unbeliever.
They are doing the same thing with my husband's hall. There is noting wrong with the halls but they just want a bigger building and they claim the parking is bad at both halls so with a new hall 'the parking would be so much better.'
Both halls they want to get rid of are totally paid for and like you said they will now go into debt to the WTS with the new one.
My husband and I were out to lunch last Sunday and we run into this sister at the restaurant who goes to the other hall that will share the building with my husband hall. She is a totally over bearing person and when I saw here my appetite vanished. So much for a nice lunch out.
She does not know I am out of the religion and she was just gushing over the new hall and how Jehovah was directing it yad, yad, yad , I just looked at her and started to say why in the world with all the brothers in such poor country's would Jehovah bless us with a new hall when our halls are in great shape and there is nothing wrong with them. Wouldn't it be so much better to send the money that will be used to build this new hall over to these poor country's so that our bothers and sisters there can at the very least have a hall.
She quickly had to leave and never answered me.
LITS
back when we were still active in the cong.
we became friends with a young couple with 2 small kids.
they were newly baptized and wanting a better future for their kids.
On the flip side I was raised by abusive JW parents in the "truth". When I questioned a CO about about how I was raised and how no one in the "truth" helped mw especially the elders who knew what I was going through. No one even called child protective services when my dad told them he was going to kill me when I was in my teens.
This CO told me that Jehovah knew my heart and he allowed me to have my parents because he knew that I probably would not have accepted the "truth" anyway else and Jehovah wanted me so badly that he just allowed all my pain and abuse to happen.
I felt like throwing up.
LITS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.
http://www.jwactivists.org.
facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.
This is so great.
LITS
while you were sitting in that uncomfortable folding chair the other night.... listening to something you've heard already a thousand times before.... do you know what was happening at the same time?.
somebody somewhere else was studying a real textbook.
somebody was cramming for a college exam.
Wow this is such a great post Terry. One of your best.
LITS
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here is where i found this pic.
bangalore.
Way to go Grace.
LITS
hopfully many of the older ones do.
since our move to wild's of pa many things have happen to my wife and i. our donut business went out the window.
we closed it last july.
Welcome back missed you.
LITS
i think everyone here has heard this as a response to questioning or serious concerns about the religion.
i think its a cowardly retort.
a flimsy cop-out.
LHG
You are spot on about working full-time. I truly feel that was a huge part of my problem is that I worked and supported myself. I was seen as not relaying on Jehovah but my own strength.
My husband used to tell me I was working for nothing that soon I would be throwing the money I made in the streets. That Jehovah would provide if only I would let Him.
We got so low on money and the JW's were COMING TO ME TO BEG not my husband. The car did not run on air and I NEVER ONCE saw Jehovah give me a dime. One time and one time only a elder and his wife were with us in field service this elder made a fairly good amount at his job and his wife did not work. So this elder filled up our gas tank after we had used our car all day in service. The wife was beyond PISSED at it and let me know very clearly that she was not happy but she never let my husband know she was upset and she was so sweet to him, so my husband swore that I was making it all up that she was mad at us and that Jehovah provided us a tank of gas.
I felt and still feel Jehovah or God or what ever higher power there is gives us the ability to work and that is how we take care of ourselves.
And yes ranmac I was around people who were not kind but really crule. So much for love in the true religion.
LITS
i think everyone here has heard this as a response to questioning or serious concerns about the religion.
i think its a cowardly retort.
a flimsy cop-out.
I agree with Postoff
My husband was an elder and we had little money as we both pioneered but we never talked about our money, what we had or didn't have and I have concluded that when you say nothing people just assume you have tons of money. I have been around brothers who make six figures and cry their eyes out about how poor they are, yet I never once told anyone what we made. I think people just assumed we were rich, we were NOT! Yet we were always willing to help anyone who needed help. I always made sure to include the single mom's the lonely ones in the hall. We have a 900 SQ foot home yet we had the whole congregation over three time over 90 people in our home. There was barely enough room to move. We had everyone from the book study over when we feed the speaker every six weeks etc. Our home was trashed over and over. No one offered to stay help clean up, they all just took off.
As a kid in the "truth" I was always left out because my parents were not in the in crowd and they were odd. I promised myself I would never leave anyone out if I was ever in the position so when I married an elder I made sure that everyone in the hall was invited.
My thanks for that was to be hated and treated like dirt. The poor ones in the hall felt we had money for whatever reason and would come up to me and ask me to give them money because they did not have enough to last for the rest of the month. Now these people were on welfare and I was working three jobs. When the poor would come to my home it was like they went out of their way to destroy stuff, break glasses, come in with mud all over their shoes, etc and never once did they ever offer to stay and help me clean up, never once did they thank me, invited me to their home, I had them even yell at me in my home when I did something that they did not like, like trun on lights.
The rich elders would dump the mentally ill on my husband, at first I tried and tried to help them help themselves, I got one brother a job, offed to buy a car seat for a single mom so her baby would be safe while ridding in our car. They did not want the help they wanted handouts. They wanted me to give them money and got nasty when I did not.
I worked too hard to give away what I had and then to watch them do and buy things that I never could afford. It just burned me out.
So I totally agree with Pistoff.
LITS
in case any of you wondered why those two poor women who were attacked by the pit bull and probably ignored warning signs of a dag being in the yard and posted signs went to the door anyway.. here it is from the latest april 2013 km front page titled "take as a pattern the prophets-jonah".
paragraph #3 "when jonah realized that his bad decision had jeopardized the lives of the mariners, he was willing to sacrifice his life.
(jonah 1:3, 4, 12) later, when fulfilling his commission in nineveh, he walked deep into the heart of the city, perhaps looking for a suitable location to proclaim the judgment of jehovah.
Thanks OTWO you spelled out what I meant very well. Apognophos what you wrote is exactly how I felt. If someone had a bad dog then we should not go to the door, why risk your life for it.
But see the point I am making is that not everyone had the chance to be in hall with balanced people like you who respected the rights and feelings of others. My feeling were never respected, I was mocked, put down, had WT and Awakes thrown in my face to make me do what they wanted me to. I did not know how to fight it so I went to door and was bitten six or seven times and I was told it was my fault because I did not have enough faith. I allowed my self to be bitten I kid you not.
I was in a hall of zealots who felt we needed to give our lives or at least my life to the cause. It is impossible for one person to fight that alone. And for that I am bitter now that I look back and that I allowed myself to be bullied like I did. I tried and tried to stand up for myself but I could not fight KM's like this alone when they were thrown in my face.
LITS